Undisputed

The author says:

Ladies and gentlemen it’s now time for the main event of book publishing. Today in these very pages we’ll pit the twenty greatest Heavyweight boxers head to head to see who comes out on top. There’s no ducking tonight each warrior will fight the other in a fantasy league in some of the most exciting pugilistic combat to ever be written. Be witness to epic non stop action with a hundred and ninety incredible fights such as Muhammad Ali vs Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis vs Riddick Bowe, George Foreman vs Sonny Liston and Rocky Mariano vs Joe Frazier. Steeped in history the blue ribbon division has experienced some of the most awe inspiring and exciting moments in sports. So let’s lace up those gloves and start the ring walks…

Nathan says:

I actually have no complaints or suggestions about this. None.

Anyone else have comments?

Comments

  1. It’s a great idea and the composition is pretty nice. It just stumbles with the figures, which look like they came from two entirely different sources. For one thing, they seem to be unaware of one another (look at the eyelines).

  2. This does seem remarkably reminiscent of a promotional poster for a boxing match, which—if I’m rightly understanding your pitch through its hyperbolic tone—is pretty much what’s in the book. So, good job on that, I suppose. While I don’t know how much of a target audience there might be for a book entirely based on the classic grade-school-level students’ speculative conversation “So, who do ya think would win a fight between [famous fighter] and [other famous fighter]?” maybe that’s what you’re hoping to find out by publishing this book, eh?

    One thing I can’t help wondering: did you get an A.I. to produce this cover imagery—in part, or in full—for you? See, like my colleague Ron Miller here, I’ve noticed that while those two boxers do look quite real (and not like they were cut and pasted from separate photographs either; no improper lighting or strangely skewed perspectives or other telltale artifacts that there used to be something else in the background behind each of these contestants), they aren’t making proper eye contact, and their arms aren’t quite where one would expect them to be if they were actually trying to hit each other or block or dodge each other’s punches. Basically, they’re posed right for a fight, but they’re not behaving like they’re actually sparring with each other.

    Part of why I ask this is because these are precisely the kind of rendering errors I’ve been experiencing in my own experimentation with A.I. text-to-art rendering engines just recently. While they can put people in exactly the right pose in exactly the right setting if you’re careful and detailed enough in describing exactly what you want, I have never yet—for the life of me—been able to get any of those A.I. engines to grasp the concepts of body language in general and eye contact in particular. No matter what you tell it the people in a given picture should be doing with their eyes and their hands, whichever A.I. you’re using always seems to insist on doing something entirely different.

    All this is to say: I don’t fault you if you are using an A.I. for any of this, but if you want it to show you those boxers properly facing and fighting each other, you’re probably going to have to waltz around with whichever engine you’re using for several more months (at least) until it finally masters these somewhat more abstract concepts about human physical behavior enough to give you what you specifically request. If you’re not using an A.I. and (somehow) are just really good at cutting-and-pasting while keeping the seams from showing, then congratulations on being so skilled at image manipulation, I guess; but then you will have to master how to manipulate the images of the fighters to make them seem to be facing and fighting each other realistically.

    Either way, your cover’s first draft is very high quality, but it’s not quite high enough to be a final draft yet.

  3. Composition, color, typography are all fine.
    I’m wondering about permission to use the likeness of famous people.
    Head-To-Head should have hyphens.

  4. The images are based on real pictures but are drawn by a professional illustrator who has added his own detail. I’m not an expert in likeness rights but from what I’ve read and from the illustrator if it’s an originally created peace of art it should be fine.

    1. I wouldn’t swear to it in a court of law, but I’m pretty certain these are photos, not illustrations. Maybe a mashup of several photos, with alterations, but not original drawings.

      Even if it was a drawing, if it was clearly based off a specific photo you could be in the soup – the famous red & blue Obama picture attracted all kinds of legal trouble, and it was extremely stylised. https://archive.nytimes.com/lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/12/obama-image-copyright-case-is-settled/

      1. I’m guessing the professional illustrator in question used an A.I. then; as I say, nothing wrong with that—A.I. is a designer’s tool like any other—but those programs are still not quite ready for prime time for the reasons explained in my previous post. While the boxers on this cover do remind me of several famous boxers, neither seems to look entirely like anybody specific, so I’m guessing the program basically did composite “mashups” of several such boxers to generate the figures on this cover; legally, the characters on the cover not looking entirely like any specific famous boxer should probably be sufficient to keep everyone involved in designing it out of trouble. The brand names on their gloves are certainly real enough, but considering the efforts those gloves’ makers typically make to have all their products’ labels prominently displayed at sports events everywhere, chances are the companies who made these boxing gloves aren’t going to complain about a little extra free advertising for their products on anybody’s book cover.

        On the other hand, I’m not really part of the boxing fandom and not familiar with any of the sport’s biggest celebrities other than Mike Tyson and Cassius Clay (i.e. Muhammad Ali) so if you do get in any legal trouble for using somebody’s likeness without permission, don’t go trying to cite any of my speculations here as professional legal advice.

        1. Yes, it’s fine to use AI for a cover, but if indeed it is AI, it’s not ‘drawn’. The client certainly doesn’t believe it is AI. I’m worried that the illustrator is lying to the client.

          1. That’s possible, or the illustrator may be actually be an old-school image manipulator who’s just that good at making sure the seams in his mashups don’t show. Being curious about this cover image’s origins, I fed it to a reverse image search, and came up with some rather… interesting results. While the picture is indeed unique, I believe it does derive from manipulated photographs (whether this manipulation involved A.I. or not): specifically, photographs of this fight between none other than Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali.

            Note that the boxers on the book cover above are wearing the same clothes and have the same general physiques, but not quite the same faces, and the guy with Tyson’s physique and clothes is also sporting a large tattoo Tyson doesn’t have. Additionally, while the sports equipment manufacturer Everlast certainly produced all the boxing gloves in these pictures, you’ll notice the pair Tyson’s stand-in is wearing on this cover are a significantly different design from the pair Tyson was wearing during that fight. In short, this image clearly is a mashup of several photographs, regardless of how that mashup was done.

            Bottom line: while I’m not sure whether the mashed-up features are sufficient to keep anybody from filing lawsuits against the author and cover designer over the unauthorized use of these various boxers’ likenesses (again, I’m not a legal expert here), I am at any rate certain this cover is indeed derived from real photographs as the author claims. If manipulation and mashing-up are indeed sufficient to protect a derivative image from lawsuits, the author and cover designer should nonetheless at least try to pose the boxers a bit differently. From all the “similar images” that reverse image search engine showed me, I know there is no shortage of photographs showing boxers making proper eye contact as they throw entirely real (and therefore realistic) punches at each other; so the designer should use the poses from one of those photographs instead of whichever one(s) got used here.

      1. I understand what your saying but the images were shown to me before hand and they are definitely not AI because the illustrator then based his version on the image and added extra detail like veins/muscle that wasn’t on the original pic

        1. That’s my point. I’m not claiming they’re AI (RK is saying that – I’m just allowing for the possibility).

          Are you saying the illustrator just used photos taken by someone else and then added stuff to them? If so, it’s definitely a violation of copyright.

          1. The illustrator used images to create this I don’t think it was just one image per boxer, they did confirm there would be no issues as it is an original creation

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